Feb/0913
Saints Row 2 vs Grand Theft Auto 4
I was really excited about Grand Theft Auto 4. I really was. Although Vice City is my favorite installment and I had never finished San Andreas or bothered with the “Stories” iterations of the series, I was really looking forward to seeing what Rockstar could do with the franchise on next-gen consoles. I got my copy at a midnight launch, and I really enjoyed it at first. At least, I thought I did.
Basically my experience with GTA 4 went something like this:
- 1. Alright, a cinematic opening, what seems to be a finely crafted plot! Oh boy! This is gonna be great!
2. Oh… so the first 20 or 50 missions are a tutorial. Well, that’s cool, I can understand that.
3. Goddamnit, Roman, can’t you go one day without getting kidnapped or wanting to go get drunk?
4. Great… more exposition, yes just repeat your main themes over and over and over why don’t you? Can I please blow something up now?
5. Great… another fucking car chase mission.
6. Man I don’t even play this game, I’m trading it in.
Seriously. I got to a point in the game where my options were: chase some guys in a car, chase a guy on a motorcycle, steal a car, race a car with Brucie (and nobody wants to hang around with Brucie), do a mission for that undercover police chick who double crossed you that would probably end in another goddamn car chase anyway.
Really, Rockstar. You think there were enough car chases? Have you gotten that, I dunno, uncreative? It took me a while to admit my disappointment with the game, I think the moment it really hit me was when a kid I play on Live with (the rare times I’m up for co-op) pointed out to me that you couldn’t buy businesses or houses in GTA 4 like you could in past games. Memories of earning cash selling drugs out of a freakin’ ice cream truck in Vice City rushed into my mind, and that’s when I knew Grand Theft Auto had forgotten how to be fun.
Now really, I am one of those “games are art” people, and I like my games to have engrossing plots. But I also like them to be, you know, entertaining? I realized recently that it seems Rockstar was so determined to make a game with a movie-like plot and a “deep message” that they neglected the whole gameplay part of the equation. Oh, you want to play? Fine, here’s a few car chase missions to stimulate your puny mind, gamer monkey. Now sit still and listen to Niko talk about the war and how America is not much different than living in old country. He only makes this same point every 5 goddamn minutes, it’s all he ever talks about! I mean it wasn’t deep, it wasn’t compelling, it wasn’t even satirical, I’m not sure what point the writers were trying to make other than they assumed their audience were complete morons who couldn’t pick up on any of the plot’s themes unless they were driven into the ground.
And the thing that made me think about it and come to that conclusion? Why playing Saints Row 2. Now I pretty much ignored the original Saints Row, in my mind it was quickly stamped with a “ghetto-ass GTA clone” label and filed away in the “stupid crap” bin. And that’s without even playing it. However I had heard tell around the intrawebs (and not just from the obvious source) that Saints Row 2 trumped GTA 4 for the simple fact that it was fun. So I finally decided to rent it.
Now I’m thinking I’ll eventually buy it. This is certainly one instance where the knock off actually improves on the original product.
First of all, Saints Row 2 has full character customization. I mean full. I mean control everything down to the size of your character’s goddamn earlobes full (and I didn’t make that up.) You can be male or female, make them any varying degree of fat, skinny, muscular, control their entire face, pick two colors for their hair, pick from six voices, and even choose exactly how they walk. I’ve read that there was character customization in the first one, but you could only be male. However the game doesn’t try to be realistic in that it doesn’t even bother to justify why the character (who has been in a coma for 5 years) could and would look completely different in the sequel. Everyone just kept asking my somewhat dumpy, butch thug girl who was supposedly the man from the previous game “have you done something with your hair?”
But that’s not even the end of it. When you purchase clothing in shops you can choose the colors of various parts and sometimes even the style, thus ensuring anything you want to buy will match (or, horribly mismatch if that’s what you’d like) your current outfit. Your outfits also gain you style points which in turn gives you bonuses on how much respect you earn from missions, which in turn gets you other kinds of bonuses. It’s a pretty good system. Oh, have I also mentioned you can customize what kinds of clothes are worn, what kind of cars are driven and what kind of signs are thrown by members of your own gang?
I used to laugh that Sims-like customization was showing up in very male-oriented games but I think its going to be the wave of the future. Personally I just feel more attached to a character when I’ve crafted them myself.
But if customization isn’t a draw for you the gameplay ought to be. The game makes use of every single button on the controller and does it well. You can dual wield pistols (something GTA 4 doesn’t even do) and use a variety of melee weapons, all attacks controlled by the trigger buttons. The missions are enjoyable and varied. Many times you have to do things called “diversions” and “activities” before you gain enough respect to do the next story mission. So far I’ve seen these range from spraying waste from septic truck to lower property values in neighborhoods for a corrupt realtor, causing a certain amount of property damage any way possible in neighborhoods so a reporter can gain a big scoop before her rivals, throwing yourself in front of cars for an insurance fraud, racing, and prostitution (yeah, skipped those) but there’s still more to find. You can also gain respect by just driving around doing stunts and killing members of other gangs (preferably while taunting them using whatever motion you picked in your character customization. Mine’s the Smooth Criminal dance.) And of course you can buy cribs and businesses, with an option to pimp out the former in various ways earning style points.
But of course the most miraculous godsend to me is that the missions have checkpoints. Glorious checkpoints. The first car chase I did encounter I failed as I am wont to do, however instead of having to start the mission over by driving all the way over to the guy who issued it, then driving all the way back to the mission location, go through the first part of it again, and then get back to the car chase which I would be in real danger of failing once more as I would have had to do in say, GTA 4… the checkpoint system allowed me to start again at the actual car chase. Who could have come up with such an innovation!? I guess Rockstar could have if they weren’t so up their own asses being “deep” and “edgey”. I got to a motorcycle chase later and was having trouble gunning the guys down from my own bike cause I’m just not good at that sort of thing. So what did I do? Got into a car instead and mowed them all down. And I was able to do so because the motorcycles didn’t become abnormally fast if I dared get into a car like in the aforementioned GTA 4 motorcycle chase mission. Dicks.
Saints Row 2 also has something else GTA should have implemented a long time ago: difficulty levels. Run into a mission that’s too hard because you’re just not good at what its making you do? Hey! Lower the difficulty level mid game so you can get by it! Then put it back up however high you want! Okay, so maybe for some of you that eliminates the “challenge”, but you know what? I paid my dues. Games in the 8-bit era were hard as hell and that’s all we had. I’m an adult now, I play games to relax, be entertained, and enjoy a good story. I don’t have time to repeat a level over and over until I’ve memorized every little move I have to make to get by it or give up and chew the controller in frustration. You also get regenerating health, which some people may complain about, but alot of the time it’s not enough. So like GTA, you can heal with fast food, unlike GTA, you can stock up to 4 food items to carry with you.
So basically, yeah, Saints Row 2 is much more fun than GTA 4. Right in the opening level of the game I was shooting down a police helicopter while laughing like a 15 year old boy, rather than, I dunno, driving around with my fat drunken cousin and speaking random phrases in Serbian. That isn’t to say Saints Row 2 doesn’t have a plot. Sure alright, it’s a pretty typical gangster movie plot, but try and tell me GTA 4 didn’t have alot of that going as well, stereotypes and all. At least the rival gangs in Saints Row 2 are quirky and a little over the top. The voice acting in SR2 is also top noch, and nobody has annoying badly done Eastern European accents. I found the main characters much more charming as well. So if anyone longs for the good old days where GTA was colorful and didn’t take itself so damn seriously, go ahead and pick up Saints Row 2.


1:20 am on February 26th, 2009
Its amusing. I do not play the Grand Theft Auto games or any of its copy cats. But I will admit that out of all the GTAs, Vice City was my favourite. I distinctly remember the ice cream truck part too.
I’ve been saying for ages that GTA IV wasn’t that great. When I do play GTA games, its usually for driving around and causing mayhem. The first thing I noticed about GTA IV was how damn big it was and how pretty it was. And then I realized there wasn’t much to that. I wonder if I can get a tank ):.
I do agree with you though. I’ve watched my brother play through both the games and he enjoyed SR2 a lot more than GTA IV.
I also like the radio soundtrack from SR2 better :>
9:25 pm on February 26th, 2009
I heard Yahtzee’s review of SR2 and I’ve really only watched my boyfriend and his brother play GTA:3, and even then only part way. I never really got into it, especially since Bro is a ‘tard and can only play with cheats that give you all the guns, all the ammo, all the money, and allow you to wipe your Wanted rating any time you want, and fill your health bar, too.
In his defense, he’s also colorblind, so missions that called for reading a color-coded map were exceedingly difficult for him.
But while listening to Yahtzee, I found myself saying GTA:4 sounds a lot like GTA:3, only they’ve switched out the annoying girlfriends for a cousin you end up just as anchored to. Boring!
So many aspects of SR2 sounded so much more fun than anything in the GTA series. Or what I know of it, anyway.
10:49 pm on March 5th, 2009
you know ive played both gta 4 (which i own) and sr2 (which i rented and it got so suspensful rite the day i took it back) if you have ever played sr2 you would agree once you get far enough into the game its suspensful i mean really the dude who breaks you out of jail dies because of big boss of the uhh red gang and then you kill his gf its very fun and i would never reccomend gta 4 after beating it i would tho reccomend sr2 its on so many way higher levels better then gta 4 really people theres no figt about it
10:31 pm on March 18th, 2009
@Matthew:
Oh I’ve barely touched the Brotherhood, I took down the Ronin first and I’ve gotten pretty far in the Sons of Samedi missions. I like how the plot arcs for each are good but can be completed in any order.
And there have been some pretty intense scenes here and there, as well as amusing and laugh out loud funny ones. And all of them are well acted and well written.
3:08 pm on March 23rd, 2009
I actually recently found out that a friend of mine sold his copy of GTA IV because it just wasn’t fun for him anymore simply because he was instead hooked on Saints Row 2. I haven’t played much into GTA IV at all but it seems like doing so will just make me quite it and go back to Saints Row 2 again.
I also disagree with the point Zero Punctuation made regarding the “Activities”. They were not annoying in the slightest for the most part (although they can be frustratingly challenging at times but for that, you can always lower the difficulty level). I also like exploring in general because this city is huge with a lot of varied scenery in each area (including large underground areas). Having unlockable “infinite ammo” weapons was a really nice feat too (think of GTA’s killing spree but active ALL THE TIME). Anyhow, I could go on and on about this but most points have already been said in this article. Good stuff.
9:28 pm on March 31st, 2009
@djinforce9
The only activity that really annoyed me was the fraud one. I just couldn’t do it right.
3:56 pm on April 9th, 2009
I agree with many people.
I own an xbox, and I mainly buy Grand Theft Auto style games, and occasionaly the brilliant horror games such as ‘Condemned 2′, which i must say, scared the s#1t out of me, since i am only 14, but it was infact AMAZING!
Anyway, getting back to the point,
I own 3 gta style games atm, they are: GTA IV, Saints Row 2, and crackdown.
I still think Saints Row 2 is the best, yet, i STILL go on gta iv all the time?! I think its because i find it so easy and since i have not completed it yet since i have had it for about 2 days.
Heres my opinion on each game:
Crackdown:
This game can be pretty annoying. You start off as a cop in the future, killing bad guys, unlike gta 4 which is the other way round. Not only are the graphics TERRIBLE, The storyline is… well… There isnt one?! You just kill a drug dealer boss, then straight after it says “kill another.” – Hmmm…. I still like it thought, because it is fun and unrealistic and you can boost your agility, making you able to jump up to incredible heights.
GTA IV:
Wow. What can i say. I love the graphics. Im not usually a gamer that likes that kind of thing but… wow. Ive had the game for 2 days. and im already on mission 54 and have unlocked all islands. Its an alright game, despite it lacks fun. I still love its online modes, such as crooks and criminals, and basic freeplay. Me and my friend from school make myth videos, since we are already so bored. Haha.
Saints Row 2:
the one thing that has annoyed me ever since the start was that, I started the game, went online with my friend Jaycub, and I asked him “Hey, Jaycub, Is there any funny vehicles?”
Wow man! What a freakin’ awsome game. The cutscenes are so funny. I still regret making a man with a girls voice for a joke though, since i have not got far into the game and do not know how to change appearances or anything. Never the less, This game beats crackdown, and gta iv. I love the pimp cane
He replied, “yes just type in this cheat ….”
I entered the cheat to find ALL achievements blocked. Oh great.. :l
Thats the only downside. I wish i could go back. Stupid cheats…
But hey, Cheats are bad. dont use them. I guess thats what saints row 2 is trying to say: “DONT USE THE F****ING CHEATS!”
Thanks for readin’.
10:45 am on May 5th, 2009
Yea i totally agree with you!!!!!!!! It’s coll that yo can also pimp cars-another that was missing in GTA IV!
9:49 am on July 19th, 2009
Sorry ppl, but ur wrong. gta kicks sr2 anyday. it has a far superior storyline, far superior character developement, and no matter what u say, it very fun. sr2 on the other hand is borin and predictable. Just my opinion
9:03 pm on July 21st, 2009
THERE IS NO LICKINGASSMOTHERFUCKING superior storyFUCKINGline and of course the cars in Saints Row 2 is much better than The ASSacheGIVING gta iv DICK SUCKING cars ,well there is something better in gta iv The MOTHERFUCKING HIGH shitty textures that gives you an ASSache every time you launch GTA IV and after you see the first cutscene BOOM the ASSfucking RESC 10 SHITTY DICKface error After that you will feel a long BiG STICK in your ASS
6:05 pm on October 22nd, 2009
I just recently got myself a copy of GTA 4 my bro hates it. I don’t mind it so much. I really wish I could get better clothes besides track pants and ugly jeans. I find it hilarious when Niko’s sunglasses and hat fly away when he’s hit by a car though.
But I have to say I prefer Saints row 2 much more. My dude looks a bit like a cyber goth Cillian Murphy, sometimes he looks like a bee and he has the british voice so everything he says is amazing. I think I like it best for the customization, and the fact I can play the whole thing with my online buds.
6:54 am on July 31st, 2010
Good work ! Keep us posting, you are very good writer.